09 May 2008 @ 12:53 pm
Supernatural - "Time is On my Side" (3x15)  
here's the deal - i was MOSTLY unspoiled. but in a way - go back to my monday link post....Frankenstein? Alchemy & The Philosopher's Stone? Cool Air (by Lovecraft)? to say i was spoiled for that would be wrong. that's called deductive reasoning.

but what i was NOT spoiled for was Bela, for starters. but more on her in a little bit.

some reviews on my flist were saying Lillith was OBVIOUS. uhm, yeah, in the context of the last few episodes - she's a plot device at this point. here's what i'm seeing, and then i'll get on to the other stuff. once upon a time there was a show called Babylon 5. J. Michael Straczynski had a wonderful Five-Year Plan (that he kept under strict lock and key at all times), that was ruined by the tv station switching the air times of the show, not promoting it and the consequently crappy ratings ended up cancellin the show, only giving JMS only FOUR seasons.

he looked at his plots for S4 and S5, and figured out what HAD to be told - and rewrote and edited and recrafted two entire seasons down to one, because as far as he knew, that was it. four seasons for his five-year show. (it turned out, in the end, at the very last minute, another channel gave him his fifth season, so he had to scramble to write a S4 finale, and then S5 - outside his original scope of the series!) BUT - JMS had no way of knowing he was going to get a S5, and so S4 wrapped it up. everything. done. finale. and yes, rushed in some parts.

this is how i see these last, post-strike episodes of S3. the only difference here is that Eric HAS a next season. he KNOWS this, and the Evil Genius is using this to its fullest potential. more on that later. on to the episode.

*Doc Benton: creepy Dr. Frankenstein, making himself into his own monster. how cool was it that John had met up with him pre-series? and when Sam was reading Doc Benton's journal (and got captured - bad form, Sammy), we later got to see John's journal again. know what's interesting? [info]raloria does these awsome Supernatural Revealed posts, and we learn that both Dean and Sam have journals too. whatever happened to those?

oh! and when Sam ran over him with the rental and he stood back up, head flopped over? i knew he was going to fix it like that, just pop his head back into place. hee. and when he went for Sam's eyes, i remembered the Doc's eyes - all squished and in need of replacing. when Dean started shooting him, I said that now the Doc's gonna need a new torso too. hehe....

*Rufus: i'm sorry, this guy is suspicious to me. he knows about Dean's deal, he knows too much for your average hunter, methinks. he had a whole file on Bela - wow. and what we found out about Bela? how did he know all that? there's more to him than meet the eyes. and speaking of eyes, i was waiting for them to change color. seriously. (who me? paranoid? naaah...)

*Dean and Sam - Sam and Dean: hunting zombies in Erie? maybe Pittsburg... well, Blairsville, i think it was. hehe..... ok, no more references that three people are gonna get. Bad form again, Sammy - making Dean - and everyone else who read that pathetic thing called a TVGuide blurb - think you're going zombie hunting, when it's really an immortal guy who's put together from various people he killed!

Dean's deal has become the white elephant in the room that neither brother wants to talk about now, Sam distracting Dean with a job. the brothers go off seperately again, but it's needed this time - cover more ground that way. get the Colt, and kill the demon who holds the contract. interesting to know that that demon turns out to be someone who really wants Sam dead.....but why's she so scared of Sammy?

*and that brings me back to Bela. seriously, honest to goddess, i had NO idea that Bela made a deal with a Crossroads Demon; and i had no idea that the demon was still in contact with her so that the terms of said deal could change like that. How come Dean doesn't seem to have the option to renegotiate his deal? Young Bela was very much like Bela in the show - very well cast, i must say. and since her Crossroads Demon changed the terms of her deal, it makes sense that the Crossroads Demon might have told her about Dean's deal as well. i've liked Bela, and like Ruby, i've known there's much more to both than we've seen on screen.

*this brings us to next week's promo. there's a lot of things going on here that are common sense at this point. Dean's going to hell. we've seen there's no way out for Dean, and if there is something that Kripke pulls out at the last minute, i'm going to be very very suspicious of that too. (well, i could see pulling something out at the last minute ONLY if this really was a series finale.) so yeah, the Hellhounds will be after Dean next week.

NOW, i do know that (a)promos are not necessarily in the order of the show and (b)things appear differenly in promos than in the show. that said, i don't think the epsiode will end with the last scene from the promo. there's gotta be more to the cliffhanger Jared talked about than that!

also - Sam and Dean are inside - there's other scenes where Dean's running through trees - obviously outside. but they're blue - not the colors of the regular epsiode. here's my thought on the three seconds i saw in the promo - sure, Dean's body is in Sam's arms - but Dean? he's elsewhere, running through the trees, running from the Hellhounds or whatever. i've seen this done before, and i want to say it was Flatliners (we're going over my parents on sunday, so maybe i'll bring it back home with me to watch, and then either retract my reference or do a fist-pump. heh) - where the body was clinically dead, but the mind was still going, and essentially dreaming, if you will, about the person's worst fear. when the person was brought out of it, those "dreams" remained with them as kinda a halluciation of sorts. what if the blue scenes is what's going on in Dean's mind?

you know there's going to be a few answers, more questions - and - because Kripke CAN - it's going to be a cliffhanger.
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in my mind: fangirly
in my head: the voices niggling at the back of my head....
 
 
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flynn_boyant: Supernatural - Moments Gone[info]flynn_boyant on May 9th, 2008 05:10 pm (UTC)
I posted a lot about this episode myself so I won't go into EVERYTHING here; however, I must say. Wow. It's all coming together and it's amazing.

Rufus. I like him but I'm not sure he's trustworthy. When Bela called someone revealing that, "it had worked", "they had come after her", my first thought was that Rufus was part of luring them out. It may be that he was but then that connects him to Lillith as well.

It's possible that Rufus has ties to Lillith. Maybe he's also someone who made a deal (Bela said that Lillith holds ALL the contracts). Heck, maybe he's a demon!

It just seemed too contrived a plan for Bela to contact Rufus assuming that he would contact Bobby who would contact Dean and Sam. Possible I suppose. It's just far more likely that Bela gave Rufus all that info and that he then lured Dean to her.

Overall, I like Rufus. I found him interesting. I wouldn't mind seeing more of him, especially if he walks a very enigmatic line from here on in.

Lillith holds all the contracts.
She used Bela's deal (and possibly Rufus') to try and trap Sam and Dean.
It's been proven that getting out of a deal is very nearly impossible so why so much trouble trying to kill Dean and Sam before the Deal comes due?
What made her decide to make a move?
Is there something that might prevent her from collecting Dean's soul? Something the guys don't know about yet? A loophole? A flaw in the contract?
Sam, being Boy King, has the means to void the deal but doesn't know it yet?

And, yes, why can't Dean negotiate? She could try to leverage Dean against Sam. Wouldn't work in a million years but she could try it. Why just out and out kill him before the year is out? Isn't that breaking the deal on her end?

Hmmmm.....something made her nervous. She was a bit sloppy and reckless. Even though we haven't seen much of her I find that may be out of character for her.

Oh, I have speculation on what could happen in the finale. In my post. :)

Edited at 2008-05-09 05:12 pm (UTC)
Trystan: dean *guh*[info]trystan830 on May 9th, 2008 05:18 pm (UTC)
very cool stuff you have here, i'll go check out your post as well!

Sam, being Boy King, has the means to void the deal but doesn't know it yet?
this was my reasoning for makting the contract holder SAM. hehe....

Edited at 2008-05-09 05:18 pm (UTC)
flynn_boyant: Supernatural - Moments Gone[info]flynn_boyant on May 9th, 2008 05:26 pm (UTC)
Incredible idea!
But they've pretty much implied that only one person/entity holds the contracts.
And it may be that only one can. So, in order to take control of Dean's contract he would have to become THE contract holder. Which, I imagine, would have nasty consequences.

We need some Ruby, me thinks. I want to know what she's been up to. AND now that Sam knows that she lied to him about being able to save Dean (as far as she knows or claims) I have a feeling he might be a tad cross with her.

But they're gonna need her if they have ANY chance against Lillith.
And isn't Sam supposed to have supporters, plural? I mean, it's more than just Ruby right? He hasn't exactly taken up the mantel of Boy King fully but he's got backers somewhere I thought. Where are they? Not willing to go up against Lillith?
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bodgei[info]bodgei on May 10th, 2008 12:56 am (UTC)
I have a but load to say abotu this - so now do you get why I said "I can answere your question and not tell you who held the contract" and why a) I had figured it out and b) was a little disapointed.

I liked the Bela storie line and I like the eps when they are seperated.

I have a thought on the war and *why* YED was Azazle and what the war is realy about
Panda Cola[info]tarotapioca on May 9th, 2008 05:11 pm (UTC)
Maybe if Dean dies Sam will kill himself and they'll start their own army in hell. hahah. Or not.
Trystan: dean *guh*[info]trystan830 on May 9th, 2008 05:19 pm (UTC)
Maybe if Dean dies Sam will kill himself
not the first time i've heard this, though....
irishka1205: guuuuuh[info]irishka1205 on May 9th, 2008 05:45 pm (UTC)
The episode was fantastic. And I am totally freaking about about next week's finale. I wish I hadn't seen the previews because...*flails* I agree with you that I don't think that last scene of the preview will be the last scene of next week's episode - I think it will be more gasping and less crying in the cliffhanger. Or gasping and crying, lol. Either way, it's going to be a loooooong summer.
Trystan: gratuitous yummy[info]trystan830 on May 9th, 2008 05:51 pm (UTC)
Either way, it's going to be a loooooong summer.
hehehe... well, i'd say yes.... BUT i have Burn Notice, Rescue Me, Psych and Monk over the summer.

but think about this: 24 is back - in january 09. the span between S6 and S7 will have been since may 07.

Lost's hiatus between S4 and S5 will be from May til.. February?

cliffhanger or not, i can handle 4-5 months. :D
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bunkyb39: Denial[info]bunkyb39 on May 9th, 2008 11:27 pm (UTC)
I read no spoilers for this episode...only the preview. I was with you on Bela... I was not expecting that! I liked that little twist! Why can't Dean do that? Yet, Dean's soul is more wanted than Bela's. That demon in the beginning made that clear.
I knew Sam would get caught. It's just so...Sammy. I squirmed at the eye thing. Bleh! I find it funny Dean burried the Dr. alive...in a refridgerator! ahahaha!
Next week has me thinking too. Kripke can be evil...very evil. Part of me wonders if Sam won't do something. Like a sacrifice himself. So many thoughts!
Trystan: dean *guh*[info]trystan830 on May 10th, 2008 01:14 am (UTC)
actually - after talking about it with friends and seeing the other comments in here - Dean already bartered - he went from 10 years down to 1.

next week kinda scares me, i think.....
Taxicab Messiah: as above - stone (brimstone)[info]donna_c_punk on May 9th, 2008 11:35 pm (UTC)
She was obvious. The CRD doesn't own the contracts, then this new Big Bad shows up ... not too hard to sort out. And I'm pretty sure that wasn't a regular CRD doing Bela's deal - they weren't at a crossroads and we never saw Young Bela summoning her. And Lilith has already shown a preference for young girls bodies as hosts. Eye color? Doesn't matter. If she's as powerful as we're led to believe, that's easily red herring'd. And who else would have the power to change a person's deal, if she'd ever truly intended to change the deal? In the story I wrote, the promise was just bait to get somebody to do what the demon wanted. I'm rather sure if Bela had managed to kill Sam, she would've ended up in Hell anyway.

And, yeah, a lot of things are going to be givens in next week's episode. As far as I'm concerned, the only X factor involved is Sam's reaction to whatever happens. Dean goes to Hell or he doesn't. That's just facts. How he manages to escape or get out of the deal at the last minute, who knows, but it's going to be something. This show won't last without its two main leads. I wish they'd never done the demon deal storyarc. I can't get much drama out of a situation where the consequences aren't unclear, which is a problem I've had with season three (among others). If that's my defect as a viewer, too bad for me, I suppose. Then I didn't get much out of Sam dying at the end of last season either.

Bela, her actions in her prior episodes didn't jive with the situation they'd assigned to her. The way she'd been set up, she was intended to be an outside-of-the-current-storyline antagonist. The idea she was actually the one to pull a trigger on her abusive parents fits with the character we were shown in "Bad Day", and links more clearly with the "Who did you kill?"/"You wouldn't understand." bit in "Red Sky". They had to write her out, and the best way to do that and directly link her to the storyline at hand was to have her have made a deal, one which was fast coming to its close. A character like her, she would've been more focused on trying to find a way out than anything else.
Trystan: Sebastian Spence[info]trystan830 on May 10th, 2008 01:17 am (UTC)
well, Lillith wasn't obvious to me, and i didn't see Bela's deal coming - cause that's just me - that's my "defect" as you called it.

it really reminds me of B5 S4 - squished into the remaining episodes.

and they had to write her out cause Eric listens to the fans.....
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leelust[info]leelust on May 9th, 2008 11:42 pm (UTC)
there's other scenes where Dean's running through trees - obviously outside. but they're blue - not the colors of the regular epsiode. here's my thought on the three seconds i saw in the promo - sure, Dean's body is in Sam's arms - but Dean? he's elsewhere, running through the trees, running from the Hellhounds or whatever. i've seen this done before, and i want to say it was Flatliners
AAAAAAAAAAAAA! Get out of my head! I was trying to say the same thing at Val's lj. I think it could be the last shot though. I mean as cliffhanger there'll be more to it but as plain shot it could be... knowing that Dean not only died but more from it... things we know and Sam doesn't for example...
It was very interesting to know that demons can change terms of contract. But i think Dean never had that option in his - cos his one was special - 1 year instead of 10 and maybe more terms to it. I didn't hear something about forbid welching in other contracts, Bela could even negotiate it. I think Dean's contract was a trap to catch Sam in to it too.
As to Mr X, sorry, Rufus (X-philie in me never dies) it was great example of Bobby w/o boys so to speak. Good knowing things but very suspicious guy. And they didn't kill him!!!! Which means we can see him again in the future. I like that possibility :)
Trystan: dean *guh*[info]trystan830 on May 10th, 2008 01:25 am (UTC)
I think it could be the last shot though. I mean as cliffhanger there'll be more to it but as plain shot it could be...
yeah, i was thinking this too - but it didn't come out right, so i just didn't post it.

and yes.... i think Dean never had that option in his - cos his one was special - 1 year instead of 10 and maybe more terms to it.....I think Dean's contract was a trap to catch Sam in to it too.
totally agree. Dean did his bartering at the beginning.

And they didn't kill him!!!! Which means we can see him again in the future. I like that possibility :)
hehehe i like that too... even if i was waiting for his eyes to change. heh.
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Tania: [SPN] bela[info]summer_wolf on May 10th, 2008 07:10 am (UTC)
and speaking of eyes, i was waiting for them to change color. seriously.
Lol you weren't the only one... =P

Yeah Bela's deal was surprising, and the fact that it was changed as well. Maybe Dean can do something like that heh. Renegotiate. I doubt it though.

Mmm the promo. Interesting...
Trystan: Supernatural - Bela[info]trystan830 on May 10th, 2008 04:56 pm (UTC)
oh good. :D

i think Dean had his negotiating at the beginning - when he got it down to one year....

very.
angieobsessed[info]angieobsessed on May 10th, 2008 07:37 am (UTC)
I think I shouldn't have read this. *pouts* *headdesk*
Trystan: dean *guh*[info]trystan830 on May 10th, 2008 04:58 pm (UTC)
....have you seen the episode yet?
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This shake before i sleep.: My fandom has faith.[info]lemmings_ on May 12th, 2008 11:39 am (UTC)
Skipped stuff for the preview for next week!

I enjoyed reading your summary.

I really enjoyed this episode indeed, because I too had NO IDEA about Bela, and I DIDN'T like her at all really. I thought it was very cool and very imaginative on Kripke and Co's part, considering she was never supposed to be a major character.

Also, I really liked your description of what happened in Babylon 5. I think you are right and that is also the approach I am taking to this show. I love Supernatural but I also think that Kripke has been screwed 5 was to sunday with it. He might have a master plan but he is working under bullshit conditions. If you think about the things SPN has gone through since starting: The bad promotion, the WB disolving, the rough timeslots and timeslot changes, Lost and CSI, actors being unavailable to return, The Roadhouse not working as well as he planned and Jo not working as we